Told y’all I had another pair of polka dot pants just waiting to be photographed π
These bad boys are McCall’s 6901, a Palmer/Pletsch fitting pattern. If you’re thinking that these look exactly like most other pairs of trousers I’ve made, you would be right. Honestly, this pattern would have remained completely off my radar had I not needed to make a sample for the ants class that I taught at Workroom Social last month. Ya can’t really teach a class if you haven’t made the pattern up – I mean, I guess you can, but I’d personally want to make sure I understood any fitting kinks and weird pattern directions before unleashing it on my students! – so I made myself a sample to see what I was getting myself into.
For a first-time trouser pattern, these aren’t too bad. They have front and back darts, front slash pockets, and a straight waistband. They also have a mock fly, which I absolutely don’t understand – basically just some weird flap extensions on the front of the trouser that get folded back for the zipper. I did it, it looks like a fly from the outside, and that’s that – but I don’t really understand why you’d sew a mock fly instead of a real fly? Whatever. (Our class pattern was modified by Jennifer to include a real fly, with a shield and facing, just in case you were wondering!).
The fitting was a little… I don’t want to say tricky, but let’s just say that the muslin of these pants looks NOTHING like the envelope art. Obviously those models were fitted specifically for those photos, and they look fabulous. The actual pattern itself involved quite a bit of work to get a similar look – and you’ll see that mine are still pretty different, because I ended up fitting the pants to suit MY liking and not the pattern cover (such as lowering the rise, and keeping the legs relatively straight and relaxed). I don’t know what it is about Palmer/Pletsch patterns, but they tend to be drafted to fit very loose, despite the cover art being quite the opposite. They also include 1″ seam allowances at most of the side seams, which I kind of hate (maybe I’m just butthurt because I always end up cutting out sooo much of the side seams, thanks to the ease situation)
I cut a size 8 to start. I lowered the front crotch rise by 2″ – which is a LOT, even for me. Actually, most everyone in class ended up taking out quite a bit of crotch rise as well, which leads me to believe that this pattern must just have an excess up there. I never actually figured out where the waistband was supposed to end up sitting – the cover art looks like she’s got it at her natural waist, but most trousers tend to look better on me when they’re about belly button. In the end, I figured – I was gonna be the one wearing the pants, so they might as well fit the way I like – and I made the rise hit at belly button and called it a day. I also added about 1/2″ of extra length to the back crotch, as the butt was a little tight. I could probably stand to add a little more, because it still looks a little tight, but whatever. I also narrowed out the legs quite a bit, and changed them so they were more straight and less tapered. I don’t have a specific measurement for that; I just tried them on inside and pinned and based until I got a good width.
Here’s my shirt pulled up so you can see where the waistband actually hits. It’s still a little high, but not as bad as it was before – the pattern is supposed to sewn with a 9″ zipper! Woof!
For a first stab at a new pattern, I think these turned out quite wearable. They’re obviously not perfect – for me, I’ve found I need at least a couple tries before I start making good progress – but, like I said, they’re wearable, and that’s all that really matters. Next time round, I may scoop out the front crotch to more of a J shape, because they are a little poochy. I also evidently need to shorten the crotch length a little more, because I’m still getting those wrinkles that indicate it’s too long.
Landon also informed me this morning that the legs were too wide and would be much more flattering if I tapered them. Argh! I actually like the wider look, but now he has me second-guessing myself. What do you think? Unpick the hem and fit the legs more? Leave as is?
(Note to self: Don’t wear black socks with these pants again. Eep!)
So how ’bout this fabric, amirite? This is a Marc Jacobs cotton blend from Mood Fabrics, that I bought while I was in NY in March. If it looks familiar, it’s because I used the navy colorway to make my Miette wrap skirt and also my Rite of Spring shorts. I love this fabric – I love the texture and I love the way it feels, and it just gets softer with wear. I was so excited to see the brown colorway, so I snapped it up with no real use in mind. Pants will work!
There’s that mock fly that I don’t understand. Whyyy.
But hey, look – fun pocket lining! π
The construction (and fitting, to some extent) on these trousers was very straight forward, and I think they are quite suitable for first-time attempts. Just be careful to watch that crotch length and don’t be afraid to pin out a giant wedge if necessary. Like I said, I took 2″ out of the front and I STILL have a little excess that could stand to be removed. But all in all, I think they turned out pretty cute – or is that because polka dots make everything cuter? π
Three more things!
1. Planning for my London trip is now in full swing! I’m trying to work out a meet-up (if anyone wants to help me plan this shit, holler! I have not been in London since the late 90s and I have NO idea what I’m doing hahaha), but it’ll likely be Saturday 22 Nov. If you’d like to join in on the fun, shoot me an email and I’ll keep you in the loop as things progress.
2. Speaking of Europe – Clare and I decided to take advantage of the fact that Paris is a cheap train ride away, so obviously we are going! We’ll be arriving the morning of the 27th (funny, that’s Thanksgiving Day in the US. Sorry, mom! I bet you’d rather I go to Paris anyway :P), stay overnight, and I’ll be back the evening of the 28th. We will be have a meet-up – Paris Edition – on Thursday 27 Nov, so again – email me if you want to join :)!
3. For the rest of y’all who are not in London or Paris – how bout some patterns, yeah? Indie Stitches is currently running a sale on all digital PDF patterns, woohoo! Use the code DIGITALLOVE to get 10% off all PDF patterns. Code is good through 9/14/14 at midnight! I don’t know about you, but I’m eyeballing that Darling Ranges Dress and those Virginia Leggins extra hard right now…
So adorable! I want my own pair ! ^__^
Jemma xx
cute pants!! I just love that fabric. There are definitely some things I like about this pattern – the front darts with the slash pockets is a surprisingly nice style, I like the higher rise, and the mock fly is, agreed, weird, but easy to just add a fly shield and call it a day. I feel like I keep hearing about the ‘j’ curve being preferred for crotch curves and I’m curious what that looks like? Anyway – great pants, dude!
I went over the J curve in my Ultimate Trousers post π It’s a little more scooped than the traditional L shape. I don’t know if it’s necessarily preferred for everyone, but I do know it is best for my body shape, so there’s that!
More polka dot pants omg I would steeeeal them off you in person! π Soooo cute. I’ve still been on the hunt for a good bottom weight with polka dots but coming up with bupkis. Anyway, I love these pants! I wouldn’t stress too much about the leg. You have a strong sense of what you like, but doesn’t mean you can’t have a pair with a slightly less tapered leg for a change! Although if you were them a couple more times and still feel iffy about it, take them in so you’ll stop having that nagging itch. π
Also, totally don’t get why there would be a mock fly either. I have a pair of sleep shorts like that any every time I look at them I think WHY.
Good point! I’ll probably wear them around a couple of times (maybe even this week! Low 80s/high 70s OMGGG) and see how I feel about it after that π
Looking good! For myself when pants look like they need more tapering it may be they are a bit long – re hemming up usually solves it.
These are too cute on you! Personally, I wouldn’t unpick that hem and slim the legs on these…at least wear them a few times before making the decision. You can always slim them down on the next pair. That fabric is fantastic.
I’d love to see the changes in the crotch you are talking about. Just in case you’re looking for blogging material. π
Ramona
p.s. And I hope you have way too much fun in London and Parish. Lucky Girl!
I went over the crotch changes in my Ultimate Trousers post, if you want to take a lurk π Those are the most common changes I make on *most* pants patterns π
I love that fact that you wear polka dots so well. Those are adorable. Though, I’d wait on hemming and slimming. Heeled boots and they’ll be more than perfect. π
Trueee, but I don’t wear heels! Maybe that will change. I need some new (read: not canvas, like all my other shoes) boots for London!
I wonder if this pattern was designed to go with the PP Pants for Real People book? I have the book, but I am not a big fan of that fitting system (though it seems like a lot of people are). Anyway, the pants did turn out cute!
I’m curious about the “J” crotch. I have the puffy front crotch problem. Drives me crazy. I have tentatively been trying to change the front curve, but I am not sure as to how much I can change it before it starts to look like something odd is going on there. Is the “J” crotch like it sounds – curving up again where it meets the inseam?
Enjoy London & Paris!
I’ve actually read somewhere that if you want to get an accurate curve, you can take a wire coat hanger and bend it around your front and back rise, then trace it to the pattern, to get the shape right. I’ve never tried this method, but it sounds like it would work.
interesting idea. thanks!
and your pants, Lladybird, I really like it. Fit issues are not to be noticed, and the fabric is indeed lovely.
It probably is. I don’t care much for their fitting system, exactly (it’s nice for bodices where you can quickly see if it’s even going to cover your body, but I can’t make it work for pants. Just can’t), but the book is such a good resource regardless!
Puffy crotch is exactly what J crotch curves fixes! You’re right, it just scoops back up. I covered the crotch modifications in my Ultimate Trousers post (different pattern, but I make the same adjustments for most trouser patterns)
I love this pants! Thanks for making and sharing! Worth to check this – on the list π
Gorgeous Fabric! Personally on me I prefer my trouser to be a little more tapered above the knee along the thigh. I just feel boxy if they’re loose up there and then more fitted in the calf. I don’t think you ‘need’ to taper them more, especially as they fit beautifully imo below the knee in the calf area on you…but if you were to slim them down anymore I’d say only in the thigh region.
They are actually pretty fitted in the thigh – it’s just the under the knee region that I feel is baggy. But that is a good point π
1. I think that the P&P patterns are intended more for women of my age and girth than for your sweet young self. Things … drop … as you get older. An extra few inches in the crotch gets eaten up when you sit down, as all that loose and flowing flesh needs room into which to expand. Thus the need for a 9″ zipper. Also, intermittent and unpredictable periods of personal overheating make the extra ease included in these designs very attractive to those of us who need the extra air-flow to dissipate sweat.
2. The mock fly is a coping device for those of us who want a quick result that still looks as if we took the time to make a proper fly. This mock feature is also to be found on lots and lots of rtw elastic-waisted pull-on trousers, oddly enough.
Oh, dear, this comment is sounding worse and worse as I go! Kudos to you for using the pattern from which you will teach. I’m so glad that your giant brain of wonder can compensate for all the changes needed to make your polka dot pants as perfect as they can be. Carry thou on as thou wilt.
You make some good points! I guess it’s easier to take out excess, than to add it (both physically and mentally – I know I’d feel pretty shitty if I had to ADD 2″ to my side seams, or whatever!).
I think you should go with the tapered leg – more of a vintage look that will go with the vintage-esque pattern. Love me polka dots!
Pack light when you go to Paris and make sure your luggage has room for all the fabric you will be buying in the fabric district. Seriously! Lucky you – Paris is great, I love the food there…..mmmm
And bring one or two of these vacuum bags so you can put all your purchases in your luggage.
Good point, did not think of that!
Oh yeah! I’m gonna capsule the shit out of my wardrobe haha. Can only take one suitcase, so it better fit a lot for when I’m coming home! π
If you roll your clothes, you can fit them quite neatly into ziploc bags. Sit on the bags to squish out all the air, then zip the seal shut. (Poor man’s vacuum bags.) Also, consider reversible clothing — use really light-weight fabrics, so that when you’ve doubled the skirt/slacks/blouse/dress/jacket, they are “normal” weight. A popular 1990s rtw shell for small-busted women had the same pattern piece for front and back, one solid color on front and another on back, on both inside and outside of the shell. You had one garment, four wearing options (was meant to be worn under a blouse or jacket, which was also reversible). World travel is the only instance in which “100 polyester” is a blessing rather than a curse.
Lladybird, I went straight to indiestitches and can’t seem to find a place to put discount code on! which means I’m paying full price. whaaat?
I’ve already solved it, sorry girl! After I realised it really had nothing to do with you.
love them pants, and fabric, and all of it!
great fit, I think.
and I would go with tapered pants, but thats totally personal, right? could be nice having something different for a change. π
No worries, hon! I’m sorry I couldn’t respond to you sooner – yesterday was one of those loooong work days – so I’m glad you got it figured out π Yay, new patterns!
Wish I could go to London right now! So jealous! Enjoy your time, and if you have a chance go to Oxford it is freaking beautiful (It stole my heart several years ago). I think the pants look good like that on your BUT I think I agree with Landon that they would look better if they were more tapered. But it is really your opinion that matters the most! π
If you do fancy a quick visit to oxford while you’re here, we have a nice little cohort of oxford sewists who will happily entertain you and show you around π I will totally be joining you in London though! Paris sounds tempting too…
The pants look great and excellent fit! You mentioned your muslin was quite different from the pattern photo. That’s the same experience I’ve had with three different PP patterns, and I recently saw this stated on another blog about a different PP design. I know they allow ease for alteration, but my interest in trying new PP patterns is waning, due to the amount of reconstruction/refitting required after a muslin is made. Am I alone?
Not at all, I feel the same way haha π
I love polka dot trousers! I’d say taper the legs, it’ll give it a less casual look, which I for one would wear a lot more. I can come to London! Mine meeting strangers off the internet? xxx
Are you kidding?? I LOVE meeting strangers off the internet π haha!
Dude! Paris YES! I haz ticket already! So excited to meet you and the fabulous Clare!
YAY!! Cannot fucking WAIT!
Looking forward to the meet-up in Paris! I’ll be so giving thanks I’m not cooking a turkey. Wish I could still wear cute polka dot pants like those without looking like the Thanksgiving float.
Me too! And yeah, I’d much rather spend my day of thanks eating cheese and swilling wine. Who needs a turkey, amirite? π
These are fabulous!!!
I tried fitting my first pair of pays recently but I’m taking a breather as they were hideously ill-fitting. Haha! These are great! One day I’ll have fab pants like you. One day! They’re so sweet!
It takes a lot of effort to get a good fit, but girllll it’s so worth it in the end! Promise!
I love these, the fabric and fit. I am working on trousers at the mo, made from a block by me to my measurements and they don’t fit! After a pretty stressful summer I must have lost weight or something and I am on my 3rd basted fitting session. But I am determined to get there. As my Husband said they *will* look great, just not right now! Hopefully I will have them done by the time you get to London and I can wear them to a meet up.
oooo, I’m so tempted by the thought of a London meet-up I’m counting my Euros as we speak. Not sure I have the funds just yet, but could you keep me in the loop re: planning all the same? You can mail be on craftychris AT gmx DOT com
Thanks so much and (who knows) see you soon!
Yes! I’ll put you on the email list π Hope you can make it out :DDD
I know I’m late to the party here, but in your first pants post (Ultimate Trousers) you mentioned using fabric with polyester in it to prevent the seat from stretching out during the day. Do you still follow that rule? How much polyester content is ideal? I’m looking to buy pants fabric, probably a stretch twill, if you couldn’t tell. Thanks!
I try to! You need some lycra/elastic in the fibers – that gives the fabric a stretch recovery, which will keep the seat from bagging out. I try to stick with 5%-10% (I feel like 3% is a little too low most of the time, but you may have different results!). Stretch bottom weights also tend to fare better with the no-bagging.
These are fantastic! And the fact that you had to lower the rise in that pattern to get them to the belly button is promising. I like pants to come to my belly button or natural waist, but almost all the pants patterns I look at finish so far below the waist that, on me, they barely cover my butt (I tried on a friend’s Thurlows and they were indecent). All of my cheap RTW “high waisted” pants reach my belly button, just, and my vintage repro “high waisted” pants do manage to reach my natural waist! As for the width, “flattering” just means “appeals to my aesthetic” which is not the same for everyone, so if you like them, then it doesn’t matter if anyone else thinks they’re “flattering”, imho. so I like the idea you have above to wear them a few times before deciding what to do to them.